tv Outnumbered Overtime With Harris Faulkner FOX News April 16, 2019 10:00am-11:00am PDT
coolest. everybody's talking about it. >> harris: and you are making the rest of us look lazy. thanks a lot. [laughter] >> brian: it's all part of the fox family prayed the fox magic. >> melissa: i didn't know about jefferson island. i can't wait to watch that. we will be back here at noon eastern tomorrow. now here's harris. >> harris: breaking news from paris where france vows to rebuild notre dame cathedral after a fire ravaged that beloved landmark. it was happening this hour yesterday, first breaking news. i'm harris faulkner. this is "outnumbered overtime." the flames inflicted enormous damage on notre dame cathedral, after burning for more than 12 hours. reducing the cathedral's roof and aspire to rebel. two iconic bell towers remain intact, along with much of the structure and the stained-glass windows. precious artifacts and relics also saved, and investigation, we are told, by police authorities in france is underway into the cause of the fire. but police say they believe it may have been related to
restoration efforts. notre dame survived the french revolution, two world wars, to stand in the heart of paris for more than 800 years. before yesterday's tragedy took bits and pieces of it. here is the french president. >> translator: we will rebuild. all together. and it's without a doubt part of the french -- the projects that we will carry out. and we will call upon the best talents in the world so that we can rebuild. we can rebuild it. because this is what the french people are expecting. this is what our history merits. >> harris: greg palkot is in paris with more. greg? >> strong words from the french president. strong feelings that we are getting from all of the people here. believe it or not, harris, it was 24 hours ago, just at this time, that the fire broke out.
in the cathedral in notre dame, just behind us, we arrived a few hours later and did have a chance to see some of the smoke. some of the glowing of embers and flames inside that building. the fire raged for as much as 12 hours, taking down the roof. taking down the spires. throwing timbers inside the cathedral itself. and there are some very tough estimates, that it may be have done mike to string two-thirds of the woodwork inside. again, it was saved. the structure was saved, according to the investigator's and extractors, the two belfry tower you were talking about, substantially intact. we have been watching all this day. inspectors going around. we are hearing it might be another 48 hours before they decide if this place is safe enough for firemen to go inside freely, for investigators to go
inside freely. i think one thing to remember, too, all through the last 12 or 14 hours of fire, there was only one injury. every serious injury to one firefighter. as the tourists were moved out of the cathedral, when it was first starting, and when they were first leaving, there was no one killed involved in that. again, the structure of the cathedral needs to be secure before the investigation begins. the latest word we are getting is it is believed that the renovation work around that tall spire that went down could be the cause. something happened wrong, but we learned just a short time ago that the workmen had already left for a couple of hours when the fire started. so investigation looking in, no arson, certainly no terrorism. as we walk along the streets we feel that -- one person said she was the mother of france.
we heard americans, british people, all reaching out. this is a global horror. another person said it's like somebody died in the family. back to you, harris. >> harris: greg palkot, thank you very much. i want to get deeper now into the details of what we really have lost and what was saved. robert went and joins me now, editor and founder of "inside the vatican" magazine. thank you for being with me. i know you were along yesterday on a network for some of the breaking news on this. when the flames were finally extinguished, what did you count as blessings in all of this? >> i was happy that the courageous chaplain of the firefighters went in, and they formed the line and took many of the treasures of the cathedral out in spite of great danger. so that was remarkable, a remarkable effort. the most important of those items was the crown of thorns,
believed to have been the crown that was placed on jesus' head when he was condemned to death and they mocked him as a king. so that crown had been in jerusalem, what was said to be the crown, already in the 300s and 400s. pilgrims and tourists to jerusalem under the roman empire visited a place where they had that. it was then taken to constantinople, and then louis i ask of france brought it to parents don't like paris and the 1200s. he also built another church especially fort called saint chappelle, another chaplain for us means almost of light. different colored glass for the walls. it was moved under napoleon to notre dame in 1801. it's been there for more than 200 years. it could have been destroyed if the fire at phelan. it was to be on the main altar. the firefighter said immediately
when the flames started to come up in the roof, we've got to get these treasures out. they made a chain and handed from one to another. many of the great checked on my treasures of the church were preserved. >> harris: i am so grateful for the journey that you described, for the crown of thorns have a man to jerusalem in recent months and having been to the vatican and to the sistine chapel. i know there are so many artifacts around the world that are important. not just the people who practice catholicism but to all of us, from every walk of life because they symbolize a shared history. i'm wondering now if it is time -- and i want to be delicate with this -- for there to be when the restoration happens, robert, more steel and more concrete. and those things that are present day to protect the artifacts. one thing that impressed me, when you go to the vatican, is that some of that has started to
happen. i wonder, does that disturb our faith? does that disturb the journey we are all on to bring it more present-day? >> i'm sort of a traditionalist and architecture. i like the stone. the romans were famous for making arches, and then the gothic cathedrals were famous for their flying buttresses. if you use steel, that's 40 or 60 feet long, you can spread across the roof. but you lose something of the delicate balance of the stones leading up to a keystone, which hold each other together. i can imagine the desire to somehow support the stones with steel, and i guess they will discuss that, but i like very much the skill of the medieval masons in the churches have stood for 800 years. some people wonder why a stone building would have a fire. we have reported on this, and
you have reported, to hold up the roof they had many trees. >> harris: like a forest full, from back in the day. >> a forest full of trees. how those got lit on fire, i don't know. but once it started, that's what took out the roof and took down that spire. >> harris: again, i am so grateful to you for answering these questions. and i do want to be respectful. i just know that people are wondering. i see it in social media. how do we prevent this from happening again? there are so many broken hearts around the world. robert moynahan, editor and founder of "inside the vatican" magazine, giving us more details today and made some blessings and loss. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> you raise the issue that i'm a millionaire. actually this year we have $560,000 income. that's a lot of money.
that money, in my case, and in my wife's case, it came from a book that i wrote. a pretty good book, you might want to read appeared [laughter] it was a best seller, sold over the world, and we made money. so if anyone thinks that i should apologize for writing a best selling book, i'm sorry, i'm not going to do it. >> harris: it was interesting. some sparks flying as bernie sanders made his case for the democratic nomination at our fox news town hall last night, with brett and martha. the senator refused to apologize for his now-found millionaire status without explain why he would not pay the wealth tax. he has advocated imposing it on the ridge. peter doocy joins us now from bethel in pennsylvania, the town where the town hall took place. peter? >> harris, bernie sanders says that looking hard to get rich work for him, but he still wants to actually transform the system that made it possible.
>> when he wrote the book and you made the money, is in that the definition of capitalism? the american dream? >> no. [laughter] i mean, you know -- what we want is a country where everybody has opportunity. i have a college degree. i'm a united states senator. but a lot of people don't have a college degree. a lot of people are not united states senators. >> the president, trump, signed the tax reform bill that lowered the democratic socialist senator's rate from the 30s in previous years down to 26%. but sanders says for now his vote against tax reform was enough of a protest. he is not interested in setting an example by rejecting tax breaks. >> the marginal tax rate was 26% because of president trump's tax cut. why not say, "i'm leading this revolution?" "i'm not good to take this."
[laughter] >> i paid the taxes that i owe appeared by the way, once you why don't you get donald trump up here and ask him how much he pays in taxes? >> i will. [cheers and applause] >> there was one thing sanders said he agrees with president trump about, that's taking money that has been spent overseas to invest at home. he has appealed to the president, to ask him to sign a bill to pull u.s. help from saudi-backed forces in the yemen civil war. >> i'm being critical of the president. but let me say this, the president has said that he does not want to see this country involved in endless wars. i agree with that. >> sanders had an opportunity last night to name a foreign country that he sees as a threat to the u.s. he declined because he doesn't like the word "right" in that context. harris? >> harris: i didn't give a
feeling that he liked the words "democratic socialism" either. talked a little bit about it. maybe it wasn't him. peter doocy, thank you. i want to bring in now the senior put a for u.s. news and world report. david, it's good to see you. why is it difficult for some of these democratic socialists to actually explain the difference between that and capitalism? >> i think bernie sanders was actually taken aback by the question. he did not have an answer. >> harris: he didn't expect that? >> he didn't have an answer about specifically what he would not take the tax break that donald trump imposed, which was surprising for me. that he didn't have it. as the system is now, i will apply that. it's awkward that he has made all this money given that he has -- but it's not necessarily contradictory to his message, which is that he is saying the rich should pay more in taxes. he is a little cantankerous and
ornery and combative last night. i don't think you drove that message as well as i have seen him do it in the past. >> harris: i've been reading -- because, you know, there were a certain number of democrats who are going to support him and felt like when the dnc perhaps didn't play fair with bernie sanders that they would take their votes to somebody else. some of those people took their votes to donald trump. and now he is president. is there anything that bernie sanders said last night to win over trump supporter's who might be on the fence again? >> i think the health care issue is going to be interesting. he spent the last week going through the midwestern states that donald trump defeated hillary clinton in. michigan, wisconsin. the rust belt. the upper midwestern states. he talked a lot about medicare for all. i think the problem that people have is that he wants to get rid of private insurance, and he didn't really stressed that last night and the town hall either. which is interesting to me. remember the health care argument for people the midwest
that is seeing a rising premium, that could cut through to a certain sliver. a ramp down mike only talked about a certain number of >> harris: anchored a town hall on sunday night in iowa, and i can tell you that that particular topic was important to them. it fit under this idea, "if you do medicare for all or anything like what senator sanders has talked about, it is more about losing the private through your employer." which is on both of us get our health insurance. i want to set back to the moment where he was talking about the wealth tax that he would not pa pay. moreover tax men, robin hood type thing. here's trump 2020's advisor on the senator. >> only in america can you write a book about the ills of capitalism and get rich off of it. which is what bernie did. nobody has ill will toward
bernie, or anybody, for being successful in making money and paying their fair share in taxe taxes. we want to know is why bernie has ill will toward everybody else was trying to strive, make a living, move up in life and earn more money. >> harris: would you take the question? >> i think polling is shown that raising taxes on the rich is a popular idea. even among republicans. i think there's been a fox poll that showed earlier this year. 60 or 70% are for raising taxes on the rich. is it over $250,000? is it over a million dollars? that's where it gets more complicated. that's why running on the higher taxes on the wealthy, that could be very popular. as long as you are not hitting the middle class and the lower class. most americans right now say they are for it. >> harris: president trump, by the way, is getting his first official primary challenger.
former massachusetts governor bill weld announced a long shot run for the republican nomination. here he is, laying out his strategy. >> my strategy is going to be to enlarge the electorate, to bring in independents, to bring in millennials, gen x-ers, suburban female voters. i do that in massachusetts and the independents can mentor me 6-1. >> harris: i've covered him before, i thought he was a libertarian. >> he did run as a libertarian for president last time, i think with gary johnson. bill weld is the longest of long shots. there is some bombshell that were to come out of the mueller reports, that is still waiting to be released, i think maybe then you would have a small opening for a republican. but right now i think it's very daunting. a republican support for president trump -- >> harris: don't you need a republican? >> well, yeah. there might be another republican but he's getting in. he's the first want to challenge the president. we can't predict the future, we
don't know what will happen. >> harris: do you think others will follow, like jeff flake or those who challenged president trump? >> i don't. john kasich has already taken a job with another network. jeff flake didn't seem to want to stand up to the president when he was in the senate. it's hard for me to see how he'd run a national campaign against donald trump. i think it's very hard to beat him in their public and primary. >> harris: a lot of people miss just how far north jeff flake voted with the policies of president trump even though he called himself a little bit of an outlier. good to see you today, david. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> harris: the measles crisis is accelerating now to the second highest level and a quarter century. amid reports of a traveler that authorities are calling patient zero, who may have accidentally infected dozens of people. we are on the story ahead. in the white house is bracing for the rejected mill report. you heard us talking about it less than 48 hours from now. what we can expect. i will talk with the former independent counsel, ken starr come of the starr report.
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>> harris: dramatic video of a daring rescue off the coast of florida. a20-foot boat capsized, sending all 13 people on board -- well, you can see it, into the water. the incident happening so quickly on sunday, several people did not have the time to put on their life jackets. those are some rough seas, heavy winds. you can hear it on that open microphone. body can video showing officers pulling ten people to safety with one good samaritan rescuing the others. two people went to the hospital, we are told that they will be a caper this is happening -- washington is now bracing for the release of the rejected mueller reports.
it happened thursday morning. president trump told minneapolis tv station it's good that the report will be released because it shows it was "a total phony." this, as we are learning house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff and raking g.o.p. member devin nunes sent a joint bipartisan letter to the doj asking for mueller to give them a classified briefing on every aspect of his reports. ken starr joins me and operate independent counsel and former solicitor general. of course, made famous by the ken starr report which looked into the clintons. and you are in love and points led to the impeachment of former president bill clinton. what are we waiting for exactly? what will this document look like, do you think? and it goes to congress and the american people. >> it was going out, but i predict we are all going to be a little frustrated. we will be reading along.
there's a redaction. maybe it'll be one paragraph, one sentence, but more likely we are going to see significant reductions with ex-clinicians. "this is why this was redacted. "this will be a frankly somewhat tedious and laborious process. stay tuned, because more of this will eventually come out, including through the mechanism that you just described. because there are going to be members of congress who are going to want to hear from bob mueller. and that's all to the good. we are in favor of transparency and people can come to the judgment about the entire investigation. >> harris: we have known now for weeks that this is what the ag william barr would do. he's going to follow those rules and regulations and release this report. likely it would be redacted if democrats want to get unredacted for them. they can go to a judge and bypass that grand jury testimon testimony.
>> right. >> harris: this, from the judiciary turned out there, suggesting that william barr is releasing the mueller report close to easter and passover. let's watch. >> barr will hold a press conference thursday afternoon to give his ex-clinician of all this, exactly as he did four weeks ago, just before come of the day before, good friday. passover seders, and easter sunday. just so nobody else can function too well. >> harris: is he talking about limiting attention? what's the point there? >> we are obviously coming up to a very sacred time, into coat great faiths. i appreciate his point. on the van, bill barr has been saying, "i'm trying to get this out. and try to get it out as soon as they possibly can." so you been on notice for some time. mid-april, here we are. and it's going to be this week. so i don't see how bill barr can
sit on the report that is ready to release, saying, "i will just remain quiet because of these sacred days and observances." i think the attorney general is doing the right thing. we need to see this report as soon as possible. that's what he's doing. >> harris: ken starr, can you talk to me little bit about wrapping things up? and whether you would -- in this political environment -- have wanted to release the starr report as open as it was, to this particular congress? that we have seen -- the leaks, it's a fair question. a vast democrats, how you protect something if it comes unredacted? and some have told me, like eric swalwell who is running for president, but they have protocols and things in place. >> it's true, there are protocols in place paid but i certainly did not want the so-called starr report to be released to the public. i had no reason to believe it
would be. our transmittal letter made it clear it was sensitive information, embarrassing information. so there should be a process. as we have seen with bill barr, going through the report. not just putting it out there without regard to privacy. apart from legality, just privacy and basic human decency. here it is, we are going to put it all out. i think this is a much better process. as frustrating as it is, people would not want to see more the privacy of individuals is important. if they have been charged with a crime, their names shouldn't be dragged through the mud. >> harris: thank you for your time today. the mueller report do to come out. some figures showing the total direct spending, $12.3 million. a total of $25.2 million for this investigation according to our brain room. and that we will potentially see some of the proceeds of that. in a redacted report. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> harris: a measles crisis is
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the nations measles crisis is getting worse, and accelerating to the second highest level and a quarter century. the cdc has confirmed 555 cases across 20 states, including new york, where an emergency vaccination order is mandated for parts of brooklyn now. "the washington post"'s reporting health officials track down what they call patient zero, a man who traveled from new york to michigan and inadvertently infected 39 people. brandy and us, let's get the news on this from you. >> harris, no state has been hit harder with the measles outbreak van new york. new york city's health commissioner says they expect the number of measles cases to continue to rise for at least the next three to five weeks. since october there are now 329 measles cases in new york city, primarily in williamsburg, brooklyn. that number is 44 more than last week it. in rockland county, just north of the city, the number of cases has risen to 186.
in order to stop the spread, last week the city issued a rare order making vaccinations mandatory in the four hardest hit zip codes in williamsburg, brooklyn. yesterday five parents filed a lawsuit anonymously claim the order infringes on the religious rights and that "the emergency orders grossly understate the risk of harm to children, adults, and the general public from the mmr vaccine, while at the same time overstating the benefits." yesterday, new york city's deputy mayor of health services said that vaccines -- and he blamed this information on the so-called anti-vaccination movement for this outbreak. >> this anti-va x movement has proven to be very dangerous. these outbreaks should not be happening. we should not have active measles in the united states. korean market, stop. >> the uppercase primarily in jewish orthodox communicate
is communities, and it started when a child brought it back to new york from israel. fox news can confirm that michigan's first measles case came from a man who unbeknownst to him got the measles while spending months in the orthodox community in brooklyn,d then he traveled to detroit, michigan, and unknowingly infected 39 others there. 90% of unvaccinated people around an infected person will get the meal dulling measles. it's highly contagious. >> harris: that's a huge percentage there in terms of how and infectious disease can spread, particularly this one. bryan, thank you very much pat i want to bring in senior scholar at john hopkins university center for health security. you are also an infectious disease expert. let's dive in. how do you treat the measles? is it deadly in this form that we know about? >> measles doesn't have a specific treatment brady support the patient. sometimes it can be very severe.
the infection prayed that supportive care might include in the icu. there's a couple of cases admitted to the intensive care unit during this outbreak. it's something not always benign. you might hear cases that are mild, but some cases well, like i said, and up in an intensive care unit, and ammonia, and up in the hospital. it's not something that should be taken lightly it is not a fancy disease a think about only her grandmother talking about it being some kind of right of childhood. it's not something we want to play around with. >> harris: doctor -- and i try to put it as delicately as possible -- is this a deadly disease? because with the infection rate of 90%, that means that anybody pretty much she was exposed who hasn't been vaccinated is going to get this. >> measles kills thousands of children's every year in other parts of the world. we haven't had a measles death in the united states for several years. i don't suspect we will see many deaths. the fact that we are seeing intensive care unit admissions doesn't speak to how deadly this disease can be. it's a one and 1,000 death rate. hopefully the cases in the united states will not go to
that level. it is something we have to prepare for. >> harris: should vaccinations be mandatory? for this? >> is important to draw a distinction. what we are talking about our school entry requirements. those are mandatory vaccines if you want to enter a school. it happened in new york is, because certain zip codes have such high levels of infection, that a mandatory vaccination order -- which is a pretty rare thing -- was issued. it really is a public health emergency. if kids are getting sent to the intensive care unit, i don't think parents have the right to put their children in harm's way like this. this is in the common cold or even influenza. this is a much more serious infectious disease. it really necessitated the new york department of health to making that order. >> harris: with influenza, we know that children and the underlayer put into categories because of their immune systems. that if they were exposed to influenza, it's downright dangerous for them. but this is not in that category. you don't have it i have a damaged immune system to get it
if you not been vaccinated. as i understand it. this comes into play now, the constitutionality of any sort of mandatory order. what do you say those anti-vaxxx communities that say, "wait a minute, this is america?" >> you don't have a right to enter your children and neglect your child. there are cases where mandatory vaccination can be used in the setting of an outbreak where public health emergency has been declared with the serious infectious disease. you have to remember that these children don't have the ability to say, "i want or don't want to be vaccinated." you don't have the right to go expose of the people. this is such a contagious disease, you can't go out into the ingredients but it is somebody. people have a right to be free from infectious diseases and that's part of the police power of the public health authority. that you can mandate vaccination when you are putting other people at risk. if you can go put all these people away that are not interacting with anybody else, maybe that would be an alternative. but you are really unable to do this in the setting. hopefully people will get the message and get vaccinated and put this outbreak to an end. >> harris: we saw that tried
in rockland county. i had the executive of the county here on set with me. but that was pushed back on. we will see what happens here new york is the cases increase. doctor, thank you very much for your expertise and your time. >> thanks for having me. >> harris: in the battle for border security, a new construction company says it has the technology to build president trump's border wall faster and cheaper. it is presenting a demonstration to federal lawmakers today, promising a mile and a half of new border fence every single day. william la jeunesse joins us live from coolidge, arizona. william, i will be in arizona later this week. i'm going to have to go see thi this. >> it's different. i will show you why. time and money, obviously -- two reasons that many oppose building a fence like this. 57 miles, $1 billion paid 1 mile every two weeks. that's not good enough for a lot of people. many democrats come of course, don't like a fence prayed they only want technology.
this company is proposing both. the devon street how they are doing a prelim show you. relates that he brought in a ditch digger, put in a 6-foot deep trench here, then -- and this is what's different. this excavator is specially built, in 56 feet wide of a steel 18-foot high steel fence. drop sedan, minutes later they pour in the concrete. and it's now, of course, the footing that is setting. also they put in a fiber-optic cable along the edge of the fence. which can detect things that are coming. people, vehicles, from about 20 feet away. they have a demonstration where they tried to and you can see on the screen, as well. when you pair that with radar that can see several miles, and a camera that sees 15 miles, that's a game changer for ages. we talked to senator bill cassidy from louisiana earlier today, and he says he likes what he sees. >> if somebody has the ability to do it faster and cheaper at a higher quality, bonding, if you will talk, to protect the
taxpayer from all those claims of not being true, i think the taxpayers interested in that as well as i am. >> for perspective, the border is about 2,000 miles long. about two-thirds of the pedestrian fence. about a third of that will only stop vehicles. president wants at least 450 miles by the end of his term. the end of 2020. this company is proposing that they can basically 218 miles, for $3.3 billion. and they can do it in 14 months. harris, that is what they are proposing here. some of the senators will take that inflation back. was it a dog and pony show? additionally was paid but for them it provides a yardstick to look at other bids, as well. back to you. >> harris: interesting and important. thank you, william la jeunesse. afghanistan is now the longest war in american history. what will they say about a peace deal with the taliban and parked on my possible departure of u.s.
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that's not the case here in the capital. which can go weeks without a major attack. in 2001 you needed to wear body armor here every day. that is simply not the case right now. >> i had the biggest, safest, heaviest body armor i could find in 2001. side plates, protection, everything. now in 2019 the same security experts are telling us not to wear it. it makes us more of a target today. while there are still attacks, we don't need a bullet proof vest to walk around kabul these days. so that's 35 pounds lighter. despite all the troubles here over the past 18 years, all the sacrifice, all the violence, for a lot of people -- especially here in kabul -- they've been able to 18 years without taliban rule. even able to go to college, open businesses, and a lot of these people -- especially women and men college students -- they fear that if the 40,000 u.s. troops leave, life as they live it now could be over.
>> should americans stay or leave? >> americans stay in afghanistan. if americans leave afghanistan, the position is dangerous for everyone. >> right now the taliban controls about half the country. it is clear they are waiting for a u.s. withdrawal in an effort to take total control. harris, back to you. >> harris: steve harrigan with an important day to recognize and reporting. thank you very much very much. congressman ocasio-cortez says a joe biden white house run would not excite her. does this highlight the deep divide in the democratic party? the power panel, next. ♪ fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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>> harris: where's the love for former vice president joe biden? i want donna cardizem and alexandria ocasio-cortez says she's not excited about his potential white house bid. >> this idea that we can go back to the good old days with obama, with obama's vice president -- there's an emotional element to that. but i don't want to go back. i want to go forward. >> harris: the power panel now. judy miller, pulitzer prize-winning journalist. dan heninger, "wall street journal" editorial page deputy editor. good to see you both. business does this point to a structure that some people don'e within the democratic party? >> [laughs] i think this points to what barack obama pointed out. the usual practice of democrats forming circular firing squads, shooting at one another. why would somebody from the left wing of the party not to be animated by someone who speaks to ordinary, as she might say, "old white man?" [laughs] there is a split in the party.
we know that. we've talked about this on the air. >> harris: how important is that split, though, in terms of 2020? >> i think the voters will decide. vibrant delhi primary voters will decide. i just hope they don't kill one another in the process of deciding. >> harris: i was just in iowa with the town hall america on sunday night. we talked over the bed about socialism and some other issues. #metoo, and all of those things. did joe biden mrs. time? >> not really. >> harris: is he socialist enough? he says he is the most progressive. >> i'm not sure he wants to be socialist enough. the key thing that jumped out of me in ocasio-cortez 'statement, she is not just talking about joe biden. she's also talking about barack obama. the most popular individual in the democratic party. for people like ocasio-cortez, on the left, they want to move in another direction. they do want to move toward socialism. as judy was suggesting, there is
a big question. whether the general democratic electorate out there across the country and those primaries agrees with that, or whether they actually self-defined as less than socialist. >> harris: in the media we get blamed -- not always at fox news because we had to look at the actual breakdown of things, but we get blamed for having that narrative of, "there's a problem of the democratic party." nancy pelosi said yesterday there are only five of them come in terms of those progressives that i guess would be a problem paid [laughter] and my having a hallucination or is this real? >> you are not hallucinating, harris. nancy pelosi understands the problem very well. she tried to pass a resolution, criticizing ilhan omar forward to many perceived as anti-semitic remarks. she couldn't get an anti-anti-semitism resolution through the congress, in part because of her party. so she knows the split and she knows how damaging it can be.
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